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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:35 am 
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A very big 'thank you' to everyone who has so kindly taken the time to provide feedback above.

As an aid to clarity, it would be appreciated if posters could start by copying and pasting the headings that appear at the very beginning of this thread. (Don't worry if the colour blue is lost in the process. The questions are now numbered, which should make things clearer.)

This is not intended to constrain you in any way. Feel free to write as much as you wish under each heading, including the 'catch all' Any Other Comments. Similarly, there is no obligation to answer everything.

Thanks again!

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1. Name of Local Authority:

Bucks CC

2. What you were appealing against:
a. non-qualification only?
b. oversubscription only?
c. both non-qualification and oversubscription?

Oversubscription transfer appeal

3. Name of school you were appealing for:
(if a specific school was involved)

Borlase

4. Was this an own-admission authority school:
(e.g. foundation or voluntary aided)

No

5. Approx. date of appeal hearing:

July 2nd

6. How many days in advance of the hearing did you receive the case papers?

11 days

7. Where was the appeal held?
(e.g. council offices)

Council Offices Aylesbury

8a. Did your hearing start more or less on time?

Stage 1 yes stage 2 no

8b. If not, how late was it in starting?

2 and a half hours

9. What sort of panel did you have?
a. A Local Authority panel?
b. A foundation or VA school panel?
c. Or a Local Authority panel acting at the request of a foundation or VA school?

Local Authority panel

10. Who was on the panel?
(e.g. a retired teacher, a businessman, and school governor - no names, please.)

Retired head teacher
Current school Governor
Retired school inspector

11. Was there a group hearing?
(This is where stage 1 - the LA or school case - is presented to all the parents as a group)

Yes

12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business?
a. the case for the admission authority;
b. questioning by the appellants and panel
c. the case for the appellants;
d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
e. summing up by the admission authority; and
f. summing up by the appellants.

All the procedures were followed correctly, except the LEA rep was immediately outside the appeal room when we arrived from reception.

13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
(sometimes applies to non-qualification appeals)

No

13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly?

14. What questions were you asked about your case?

Were asked if DD had been bullied at her previous school, were asked if we had a preference for co ed education, finally the chairman commented on DD's leap from 114 to 141 but no actual question.



15. What were the panel like?
(e.g. Were they friendly? polite? considerate?)

Very friendly really tried to put us at ease, we were last to be seen on a day that had over run by 2 and a half hours. They only asked three questions after I had presented our case. To be honest I felt they had already decided before we sat down.

16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time?

No we had to adjourn twice at stage one and we were called back when leaving the room to prevent this happening.

17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)?

Yes

18. Did you feel rushed?

Yes a bit because they didn't ask many questions it was over so quickly.

19. How long did the hearing last?
(excluding the group hearing, if there was one)

Less than 20 mins

20. Were you allowed to telephone for the decision?
(most authorities do not allow this, although some do)

No

21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful?

Yes!!!!!

22. How long did you have to wait for the decision?

Stage two hearings were also on July 16th, our letter came in the post on the 18th

23. Success rates for appeals at this school (if known):

Believe four out of eight were successful


24. Any other comments:

Always appear reasonable, several parents got quite aggressive at stage one, I don't think it does you any favours! it is pointless saying anything at stage two unless you have independent evidence to prove what you are saying otherwise they just won't be interested. Every statement we made was followed with please turn to page.. and paragraph three where it states..... etc.......

It has been a long fight but worth it, read every scrap of info on this site it is worth it!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:26 am 
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in Turmoil wrote:
It is pointless saying anything at stage two unless you have independent evidence to prove what you are saying otherwise they just won't be interested. Every statement we made was followed with please turn to page.. and paragraph three where it states..... etc.......


This is a very important point and reading it made me realize that I omitted it from our own appeal report :oops: ! It is crucial to back up everything you say with evidence as far as possible. Even if you think you have a lot of material, as long as it is relevant, clearly organized (into sections if necessary), and labelled and/or referenced so that panel members can turn to what they want immediately, then your arguments will carry far more weight.

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Well I should have done this months ago, but here goes....it might help someone this year, as I see that the results are out now for the Slough consortium exam


•1. Name of Local Authority:

Slough

•2. What you were appealing against:
•a. non-qualification only?
•b. oversubscription only?
•c. both non-qualification and oversubscription?

We were appealing against non qualification, and then I guess if we had been successful against oversubscription.

•3. Name of school you were appealing for:
St Bernard’s Catholic Grammar

•4. Was this an own-admission authority school:
(e.g. foundation or voluntary aided)
Yes

•5. Approx. date of appeal hearing:
April 2009

•6. How many days in advance of the hearing did you receive the case papers?

January 2009

•7. Where was the appeal held?

Meeting room in St Bernard’s

•8a. Did your hearing start more or less on time?

probably 10 or 15 minutes late
•8b. If not, how late was it in starting?

•9. What sort of panel did you have?
•a. A Local Authority panel?
•b. A foundation or VA school panel?
•c. Or a Local Authority panel acting at the request of a foundation or VA school?

The panel organised by the school

•10. Who was on the panel?
(e.g. a retired teacher, a businessman, and school governor - no names, please.)

There were 2 lay members and one member of the profession –probably retired due to the age of the panel members

•11. Was there a group hearing?
(This is where stage 1 - the LA or school case - is presented to all the parents as a group)
No

•12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business?
•a. the case for the admission authority;
•b. questioning by the appellants and panel
•c. the case for the appellants;
•d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
•e. summing up by the admission authority; and
•f. summing up by the appellants.
Yes


•13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
(sometimes applies to non-qualification appeals)
No



•13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly?

•14. What questions were you asked about your case?

Very little questioning, merely re-iterating what we had submitted. Only one question regarding how our son was on the day of the test.

•15. What were the panel like?
(e.g. Were they friendly? polite? considerate?)

Very friendly and polite….this put my husband at ease, but made me more nervous !!

•16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time?

No

•17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)?

Only after I sighed as I felt they stopped us during our speech and did not let us present our case properly

•18. Did you feel rushed?
Yes

•19. How long did the hearing last?
(excluding the group hearing, if there was one)
10 minutes

•20. Were you allowed to telephone for the decision?
(most authorities do not allow this, although some do)
No

•21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful?
No

•22. How long did you have to wait for the decision?

Something like 10 days, probably 7 working days

•23. Success rates for appeals at this school (if known):

•a. on this occasion
28 out of 60/70- interestingly at the time when appeals were heard there were 28 places available at the school.
•b. in previous years

Don’t know

•24. Any other comments:

I believe our appeal was unsuccessful because we had very little in the way of extenuating circumstances. We had strong academic evidence…the panel barely looked at the schoolwork we provided, we had the full support of our head teacher and class teacher, year 5 SAT results were all level 5 so predicted high results in year 6, and we could prove that logistically it would be a nightmare for us should our son have to go to another school (which it is ).
The clerk was unhelpful in providing us with the notes of the appeal, and when they did get to us they were very sparse. No detail was given surrounding the making of the decision other than, ‘weighing up all the evidence, the decision was a unanimous no!’



I'm not sure that this is particularly helpful, but obviously there were succesful appeals last year...it would be interesting to read the story of someone who was succesful appealing to this school to hear what their case actually was.


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Thanks for posting your appeal lookingforhelp, It is very helpful. I wonder what the appeal panel are looking for at St Bernard's - your son's acadmic evidence was so strong.


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•1. Name of Local Authority:
bucks
•2. What you were appealing against:
•a. non-qualification only?

•3. Name of school you were appealing for:
(if a specific school was involved)
n.a.
•4. Was this an own-admission authority school:
(e.g. foundation or voluntary aided)
n.a.

•5. Approx. date of appeal hearing:

18.01.10
•6. How many days in advance of the hearing did you receive the case papers?
one week

•7. Where was the appeal held?
(e.g. council offices)

Aylesbury council offices
•8a. Did your hearing start more or less on time?


•8b. If not, how late was it in starting?
about 10 mins late
•9. What sort of panel did you have?
•a. A Local Authority panel?

•10. Who was on the panel?
(e.g. a retired teacher, a businessman, and school governor - no names, please.)
retired headteacher (LEA rep), speech and language therapist, school governor and someone else whose occupation I can't remember (sorry)
•11. Was there a group hearing?
no
•12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business?
•a. the case for the admission authority;
•b. questioning by the appellants and panel
•c. the case for the appellants;
•d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
•e. summing up by the admission authority; and
•f. summing up by the appellants.
yes

•13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
(sometimes applies to non-qualification appeals) no

•13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly?
n.a.
•14. What questions were you asked about your case?
did he not pass because his maths was weak
did you do any home tutoring
why not recommended as a 2.1
is he self-contained
what books does he read
what does he do in his free time
were head's recommendations overoptimistic (x number recommended as 2.2., only x number passed)
did you ask the head about this
what was he like before/after tests
what happened on results day
lots of questions about disturbance in test 1
(I'm afraid I can't remember them all)
•15. What were the panel like?
they were very friendly, polite and considerate; chairman in particular made every effort to put me at ease; on reflection even the person who asked the most difficult questions was ok, just had a bit of an unfortunate manner (and was very direct)

•16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time? no

•17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)? yes

•18. Did you feel rushed? no

•19. How long did the hearing last? about 50 mins
(excluding the group hearing, if there was one)

•20. Were you allowed to telephone for the decision?
(most authorities do not allow this, although some do) no

•21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful?
no result yet

•22. How long did you have to wait for the decision? n.a.

•23. Success rates for appeals at this school (if known): don't know
•a. on this occasion

•b. in previous years


•24. Any other comments:
don't take difficult questions personally - someone has to ask them (especially if you're quite a way off the qualifying score as DS was)


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Location: Bucks
•1. Name of Local Authority:
Buckinghamshire

•2. What you were appealing against:

non-qualification only

•3. Name of school you were appealing for:
(if a specific school was involved)

N/A

•4. Was this an own-admission authority school:
(e.g. foundation or voluntary aided)

N/A

•5. Approx. date of appeal hearing:

19th January 2010

•6. How many days in advance of the hearing did you receive the case papers?

At least 10 days

•7. Where was the appeal held?
(e.g. council offices)

Council Offices

•8a. Did your hearing start more or less on time?

5 minutes early (yes it can happen)

•8b. If not, how late was it in starting?

•9. What sort of panel did you have?

A Local Authority panel


•10. Who was on the panel?

Chartered Surveyor, retired secondary school teacher, ex-school Governer

•11. Was there a group hearing?
No

•12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business?
YES

•13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
(sometimes applies to non-qualification appeals)

NO

•13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly?

•14. What questions were you asked about your case?

Did he have any siblings
Anxiety levels
Access arrangements
How he would cope at GS
Transition support


•15. What were the panel like?
Polite

•16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time?

NO

•17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)?

YES

•18. Did you feel rushed?

NO

•19. How long did the hearing last?
(excluding the group hearing, if there was one)

about 45 mins

•20. Were you allowed to telephone for the decision?
(most authorities do not allow this, although some do)

NO

•21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful?

YES

•22. How long did you have to wait for the decision?

3 days

•23. Success rates for appeals at this school (if known):
•a. on this occasion

•b. in previous years


•24. Any other comments:


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•1. Name of Local Authority:
- Buckinghamshire

•2. What you were appealing against:
- non-qualification

•3. Name of school you were appealing for:
- n/a

•4. Was this an own-admission authority school:
- n/a

•5. Approx. date of appeal hearing:
- mid January 2009

•6. How many days in advance of the hearing did you receive the case papers?
- approx. 10 days

•7. Where was the appeal held?
- Council Offices

•8a. Did your hearing start more or less on time?
- Yes

•8b. If not, how late was it in starting?
- n/a

•9. What sort of panel did you have?
- Local Authority panel

•10. Who was on the panel?
- a retired teacher, a businesswoman, ex-school Govenor

•11. Was there a group hearing?
- no

•12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business?
•a. the case for the admission authority;
•b. questioning by the appellants and panel
•c. the case for the appellants;
•d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
•e. summing up by the admission authority; and
•f. summing up by the appellants.
- yes

•13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
- No

•13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly?
- n/a

•14. What questions were you asked about your case?
- How was child on the day of the tests
- How did child feel about the two tests
- How did child feel after result
- Any tutoring prior to test
- What likes to read
- What interests outside of school

•15. What were the panel like?
- polite, friendly

•16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time?
- no

•17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)?
- yes

•18. Did you feel rushed?
- no

•19. How long did the hearing last?
- 25 minutes

•20. Were you allowed to telephone for the decision?
- no

•21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful?
- Yes :D

•22. How long did you have to wait for the decision?
- 3 days

•23. Success rates for appeals at this school (if known):
•a. on this occasion
- not known
•b. in previous years
- 50% (2009)

•24. Any other comments:
- be prepared, back up your presentation with academic evidence, know what you are going to say - and most of all remember to be polite, thanking the panel for their time.

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1. Name of Local Authority:
- Buckinghamshire

•2. What you were appealing against:
- non-qualification

•3. Name of school you were appealing for:
- n/a

•4. Was this an own-admission authority school:
- n/a

•5. Approx. date of appeal hearing:
early feb-
•6. How many days in advance of the hearing did you receive the case papers?
- approx. 10 days

•7. Where was the appeal held?
- Council Offices

•8a. Did your hearing start more or less on time?
10 mins late

•8b. If not, how late was it in starting?
-10 mins late

•9. What sort of panel did you have?
- Local Authority panel

•10. Who was on the panel?
- , a businesswoman, majistrate ofsted inspector, business man
•11. Was there a group hearing?
- no

•12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business?
•a. the case for the admission authority;
•b. questioning by the appellants and panel
•c. the case for the appellants;
•d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
•e. summing up by the admission authority; and
•f. summing up by the appellants.
- yes

•13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
- No

•13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly?
- n/a

•14. What questions were you asked about your case?
- How was child on the day of the tests
- How did child feel about the two tests
- Sum up the child in 10 minutes
after school interests
- What interests outside of school

•15. What were the panel like?
- polite, friendly

•16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time?
- no

•17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)?
- yes

•18. Did you feel rushed?
- no

•19. How long did the hearing last?
- 45 minutes

•20. Were you allowed to telephone for the decision?
- no

•21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful?
- Yes

•22. How long did you have to wait for the decision?
- 2 days

•23. Success rates for appeals at this school (if known):
•a. on this occasion
- not known
•b. in previous years
- not known)

•24. Any other comments:
Formal setting, my husband stood to give his presentation,brought a photo of child to personalise . made a copy of presenation for the clerk.
- back up your presentation with academic evidence, short presenation, no trick questions, generally interested in ghelping you, Lea guy very helpful. My son is dyslexic so questions on extra time whether it was asaked for,. Emotional, I cried ! um didnt expect to do that.

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•1. Name of Local Authority:
Buckinghamshire

•2. What you were appealing against:
•a. non-qualification only?

•3. Name of school you were appealing for:
(if a specific school was involved) N/A

•4. Was this an own-admission authority school:
(e.g. foundation or voluntary aided) N/A

•5. Approx. date of appeal hearing:
1/2/10

•6. How many days in advance of the hearing did you receive the case papers?
Approx 7 working days

•7. Where was the appeal held?
Council Offices, Aylesbury

•8a. Did your hearing start more or less on time?
Approx 20mins late

•8b. If not, how late was it in starting?
See Above

•9. What sort of panel did you have?
•a. A Local Authority panel?

•10. Who was on the panel?
Retired headteacher
School Governor
? can't recall last members occupation

•11. Was there a group hearing?
(This is where stage 1 - the LA or school case - is presented to all the parents as a group) No

•12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business?
•a. the case for the admission authority;
•b. questioning by the appellants and panel
•c. the case for the appellants;
•d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
•e. summing up by the admission authority; and
•f. summing up by the appellants.
Yes

•13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
(sometimes applies to non-qualification appeals) No

•13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly? N/A

•14. What questions were you asked about your case?

Does he read?

What’s he reading at school?

What does he do in his spare time?

What’s he like with homework?

How was he on the day of the tests?

How did he feel after them?

Did he do any practice tests at home?

Does he know you’re appealing?

Is the school supportive of your appeal?

Other questions were specific to our evidence provided.


•15. What were the panel like?
Very pleasant, professional, tried to put us at ease.

•16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time?
No

•17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)?
Yes

•18. Did you feel rushed?
No

•19. How long did the hearing last?
(excluding the group hearing, if there was one)
Approx half an hour

•20. Were you allowed to telephone for the decision?
(most authorities do not allow this, although some do)
No

•21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful?
Yes!

•22. How long did you have to wait for the decision?
4 Days

•23. Success rates for appeals at this school (if known):
•a. on this occasion
N/A

•b. in previous years
N/A

•24. Any other comments:

Although we were very nervous, we tried to be ourselves, answered honestly & did not say what we thought the panel would want to hear. Our presentation, which we read out made reference to the evidence we had provided, e.g school report, letter from teacher, heads summary sheet, internet research. We came away feeling like we hadn't answered the panels questions appropriately & had jeopardised any chance of being successful. You just never know how the answers you give are going to be perceived & we are sure everyone feels that they could have done better.


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