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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:27 am 
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Focus on the locality of school and ease of transport, rather than friends (the School is unlikely to move but friendship groups certainly do!! Especially in single sex girls’ schools!)

Have a look at the subjects offered etc as per my earlier post as well, though!


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 4:59 pm 
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Hi Kenyancowgirl,

Thanks will have a look at the subjects on offer. The school we want is a 5 minute walk away. The reason I mentioned friends is that my DD has anxiety issues and its one of the mitigating circumstances.


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 5:15 pm 
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Perhaps the anxiety is good reason for wanting a school a few minutes' walk away rather than the allocated one which is two buses and an hour away? Although balancing that, you clearly put the allocated school on your CAF which suggests you were happy to send your daughter there. Perhaps it's a point to make but not to labour.

Subjects and special interests, clubs and societies are all worth investigating. For example, if your daughter was an enthusiastic programmer and the school has a strength in computing and a coding club or similar, that would be a good point to make. Don't use the old school specialisms because they went years ago and are no longer relevant, but if the school has an evident strength in a subject, activity or sport and your daughter has an evidenced proficiency or interest (don't make one up!), that's a good match to highlight.


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:12 pm 
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Hi Anotherdad,

Yes will mention the extra stressful journey if having to catch two buses etc. You are right about the counter argument of the allocated school being on CAF. Will mention travel time is going to impact on extra curricular activities and social life.

Yes Im comparing whats on offer at the two schools and matching them up with my DD's interests. Will hopefully be able to come up with a couple of points.


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:49 pm 
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4. The further down your CAF preferences you need to go, the more realistic you need to be about the chances of getting a place. Your last preference should always be a school that will be acceptable to you and your child and one at which your child is certain to get a place – the ultimate fallback if all else fails.
https://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/schoo ... n-form-caf

The above is our own advice, but parents are often given exactly the same advice by their LA - namely, to include as a "default option" their catchment school, or an acceptable school where you are certain to get a place. Otherwise, if none of your CAF preferences can be met, you could finish up being allocated any school by the LA, and it might well be an unpopular school with vacancies a long way away. If you included the allocated school as a "default option", you have a good answer to the question "Why did you put it down?" (And if you were following advice from your LA, even better!)


Several experienced forum members have kindly volunteered to help with this appeal, either on the forum or behind the scenes. Thank you very much!

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:02 pm 
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SMpharm wrote:
Hi,

Etienne I have responded as requested - just to let you know its not this friday but the following, so if you do get a chance to have a look and provide guidance then as you already know I will be eternally grateful.

Anotherdad - Thank you for your post - I totally agree the forum is an invaluable resource of information and guidance in itself. My last post was not
disingenous at all as Kenyancowgirl seems to suggest but it was a request by a moderator for my consent for another moderator to have a look at my case.

Kenyancowgirl thanks for your input - I have read and taken ALL the advice members and Moderators give in the knowledge that it will all help me with my appeal. I am not disregarding information/advice or sidestepping here, but merely acting on a request by a moderator- So try not to jump to any conclusions guys? Besides it isnt the waving of a magic wand that is needed to win an appeal in this particular area - it is a MIRACLE :)

Ricky74 thanks for your post. Im sorry to learn your appeal did not get upheld. Did your child still obtain a Grammar place elsewhere?


Well.....

We lost our grammar appeal, so were preparing to start comp. His twin was starting that grammar though so it was tricky.

However, the comp place was suddenly withdrawn in the June and we had to appeal. We won!

Then he was offered a different grammar a week into term (he didn't go). He then wanted to go, but then there was no place available. Five months later and he was offered the place again. He's been there since Feb and is doing well.

Bet you're glad you asked now.

Sorry to bore those of you who've heard it a million times before. We could never have predicted how it would unfold.

I had unbelievable support on here throughout and Etienne, Sally-Anne and others helped so much. It's heartening to see them doing it again and again.

If I can be of any help let me know. Good luck.


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 12:12 am 
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I also have my daughters appeal next Friday for the same school. I don't know if it is a standard letter that the school sends out but is it very strong on capacity and health and safety. The numbers are all broken down and strongly point to the fact that the school can not accommodate any more children as the classrooms, canteens, laboratories, walkways do not have the capacity.

However under a freedom of information request the school did accomodate an extra child 4 years ago and the current year 10 have 161 children. Hope that helps.

Good luck.


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 8:53 am 
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wajj2004 wrote:
I also have my daughters appeal next Friday for the same school. I don't know if it is a standard letter that the school sends out but is it very strong on capacity and health and safety. The numbers are all broken down and strongly point to the fact that the school can not accommodate any more children as the classrooms, canteens, laboratories, walkways do not have the capacity.

However under a freedom of information request the school did accomodate an extra child 4 years ago and the current year 10 have 161 children. Hope that helps.

Good luck.


Good luck with your appeal.

During our appeal it came to light that several years previously in one year the school had admitted a few pupils through appeal.

They admitted this was the only time they had let any children in off appeal during recent years.

This was due though to a major administrative error their end so they were forced to take in a few boys with the same argument.

So schools do go over, which we thought might weaken the capacity argument. But this was exceptional and the question is 'why?' I

If this school went over by one several years ago, it may well be due to an error on the school's part, which they had to honour, but we won't know why. It could be due to a compelling argument.

You could ask them the reason during the appeal to highlight it, but they won't be able to give you personal detail on one student

However, I would not focus too much on capacity and put all efforts into stage 2.


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 9:28 am 
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Etienne wrote:
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4. The further down your CAF preferences you need to go, the more realistic you need to be about the chances of getting a place. Your last preference should always be a school that will be acceptable to you and your child and one at which your child is certain to get a place – the ultimate fallback if all else fails.
https://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/schoo ... n-form-caf

The above is our own advice, but parents are often given exactly the same advice by their LA - namely, to include as a "default option" their catchment school, or an acceptable school where you are certain to get a place. Otherwise, if none of your CAF preferences can be met, you could finish up being allocated any school by the LA, and it might well be an unpopular school with vacancies a long way away. If you included the allocated school as a "default option", you have a good answer to the question "Why did you put it down?" (And if you were following advice from your LA, even better!)


Several experienced forum members have kindly volunteered to help with this appeal, either on the forum or behind the scenes. Thank you very much!


Thanks Etienne I shall bear this in mind for a reason why the allocated school was included on the CAF form


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 9:33 am 
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Ricky74 wrote:
SMpharm wrote:
Hi,

Etienne I have responded as requested - just to let you know its not this friday but the following, so if you do get a chance to have a look and provide guidance then as you already know I will be eternally grateful.

Anotherdad - Thank you for your post - I totally agree the forum is an invaluable resource of information and guidance in itself. My last post was not
disingenous at all as Kenyancowgirl seems to suggest but it was a request by a moderator for my consent for another moderator to have a look at my case.

Kenyancowgirl thanks for your input - I have read and taken ALL the advice members and Moderators give in the knowledge that it will all help me with my appeal. I am not disregarding information/advice or sidestepping here, but merely acting on a request by a moderator- So try not to jump to any conclusions guys? Besides it isnt the waving of a magic wand that is needed to win an appeal in this particular area - it is a MIRACLE :)

Ricky74 thanks for your post. Im sorry to learn your appeal did not get upheld. Did your child still obtain a Grammar place elsewhere?


Well.....

We lost our grammar appeal, so were preparing to start comp. His twin was starting that grammar though so it was tricky.

However, the comp place was suddenly withdrawn in the June and we had to appeal. We won!

Then he was offered a different grammar a week into term (he didn't go). He then wanted to go, but then there was no place available. Five months later and he was offered the place again. He's been there since Feb and is doing well.

Bet you're glad you asked now.

Sorry to bore those of you who've heard it a million times before. We could never have predicted how it would unfold.

I had unbelievable support on here throughout and Etienne, Sally-Anne and others helped so much. It's heartening to see them doing it again and again.

If I can be of any help let me know. Good luck.


Hi Ricky74,

Sounds like you had a right roller coaster ride. Cant begin to imagine the stress you went under trying to get this all sorted. I am glad your son has settled in well at Walsall and is doing well it is a testament to your hard work and dedication


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