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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:15 pm 
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I don't know of any boys who passed AGSB who didn't pass MGS. MGS is purposely after the state grammars so it can mop up the boys who don't pass. I know personally of 3 boys who didn't pass AGSB but passed MGS easily. The GL format certainly isn't seen as easier than the MGS paper.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:52 pm 
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Mandy21 wrote:
The GL format certainly isn't seen as easier than the MGS paper.


Mandy you and I must live on parallel universes.
I'm going to leave it there since both formats/exams are freely available for all to compare so forum members can make up their own minds.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:00 pm 
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Mandy21 wrote:
Tiger - all this averages and raw score discussion is useless in my view.


You never did say why? I can give you several reasons why your plain wrong on this specific point

Understanding what is required for CEM

1) reduces pressure on both parents and child
2) Minimises tendency to over do it. For example we had our daughter working out the area of a semi circle, using Pi*R squared (no need)
3) Gives hope to those that are more borderline, that they can do it.
4) Gives some sense of being able to check progress i.e. if you cannot get higher than 40% raw score in Feb 16 for September 11+, you know your work is cut out.

Shall I continue??


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:30 pm 
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This is the last message because I don't like to be accused of something without answering.

Petitpois - you don't live in Trafford and don't have children that have been through the Trafford exams.

I referred to MGS because you said (in answer to Tiger's original question) that the results on MGS practice papers correlate to performance in the Altrincham Grammar exams. Having had direct experience of having a boy take AGSB and a girl take AGGS, I feel qualified to comment. They don't. They may have been useful for your DD in Walsall or your independent schools, but have very little similarity to the Altrincham exams.

AGSB is not CEM, nor similar to MGS.

Like I said Tiger, feel free to message me. I apologise that the responses to your questions have degenerated somewhat.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:17 am 
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Thanks for all your useful replies. Does anyone know of how many applicants apply to these schools per year though? I have heard figures that vary from 1k-1.5k. I would have thought that even if your child is bright, the chances are that admission is much more unlikely then likely, or am I wrong?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:33 am 
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Yes, no of apps is increasing. 1000+ at AGGS in recent years. If your child is bright and prepared for the format and attains pass mark or above AND you live close enough, a place is obtainable based on current entry criteria.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:54 am 
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Here are some numbers not sure how useful. 2015. First number is PAN. Second number is CAF preferences total

AGSG 174 : 454
AGSB 173 : 485
SALE 180 : 1069
LORETO 150 : 354
Stretford GS 128 : 842
Urmston GS 150 : 703

AGGS impose a high qualifying score 334 so only 454 formal applicants for 174 places might seem a low ratio, but many more will have sat the test but not got the qualifying score (although some chancers will still probably try, by putting it down).

In terms of chances
1) how well are they doing at school
2) how well can they deal with the stress of test day
3) how good is their test exam technique
4) For CEM in particular, how speedy and accurate + vocab and reading


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:53 am 
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Stretford and Sale are popular. How did you het the 2015 info out of curiosity?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:17 am 
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enema wrote:
Stretford and Sale are popular. How did you het the 2015 info out of curiosity?


(Try again...!). It's near the front of the 'transferring to secondary school' booked on the Trafford website. (Sorry to interpose from even further away than Birmingham, I was just curious :)) .

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:42 am 
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Ah, its Sept 2015 entry not sitting. Thought PP's data was based on those sitting for 2016 entry ie who took test in 2015.


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